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slaughtered by nixon. joe biden won and served in the senate for 36 straight years. let's hear it for the long shots. for the person who has the guts to run when everyone says it's hopeless. because as we can see in that race down in charleston, it isn't. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, playing politics with terror. today we saw critics on the right revive their old playbook. using a national tragedy as a new excuse to attack the president. and they did it on a day of profound grief for everyone touched by the boston bombings. this morning, 8-year-old martin richard, the youngest bombing victim, was laid to rest. also this morning, friends and family gathered for the funeral of m.i.t. police officer sean
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collier who was gunned down allegedly by the suspects last thursday night. the funeral mass began at 10:00 a.m. it ended around 11:30. but while that funeral was still under way, a top republican senator went on national television and said this. >> when it comes to boston, how in the world could we have missed these two guys? the russians told us about the older brother. my problem with this administration is that their policies are failing. they do not believe that we're at war. >> the obama administration is failing? what you see there is the senator pivoting from legitimate questions about the fbi to using those questions to undermine the president and his entire national security policy. it's unfair and, more than that, it's wrong.
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while a terror victim, a fallen police officer, were being laid to rest, senator graham was on fox news to use the boston tragedy as an excuse to dredge up tired, old complaints about benghazi. >> what do i mean by upping our game? making sure that when the ambassador in libya tells the state department and the department of defense that al qaeda flags are flying over benghazi, i can't defend my consulate against a coordinated attack, that you do something about it. that when a consulate is under attack and an ambassador is missing for 7 1/2 hours you have the ability to go to their rescue. and after the fact you don't lie to the american people. >> lie to the american people? what does boston benghazi? that's not a clip from last year. that's a clip from this morning. critics on the right are now using the boston attacks to attack the president. to slow down immigration reform.
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even to talk about trayvon martin. it's not right. joining me now, krystal ball and joan walsh. chris krystal, are you surprised just eight days after the bombing you're hearing stuff like this from a top republican like lindsey graham. >> the only thing you need to know about lindsey gram right now is that he's running for re-election. even though he knows better, even though he knows that dzhokhar, for example, is not going to be tried as an enemy combatant, even though he knows his allegations against the president are ridiculous, it's a way of him scoring political points. i'll say, you know, i don't think there's anything wrong as you were pointing out asking questions about, okay, did the fbi follow the right course here? >> the investigation. >> absolutely. but when you go for this nakedly
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political point instead, you actually undermine those sorts of honest investigations. because it turns it into political football rather than a real inquiry into what happened and if there was anything we could do or anything we could learn. >> i think, joan, there is a legitimate questions one could raise, whether i agree with them or you agree with them or not. >> right. >> but to rev up benghazi, too? it is clear they're trying to get all kind of old political points, mixing in with new questions. because what benghazi and boston has to do with each other is just unimaginable. >> all it has to do with each other, rev, is what krystal said. this man is running for re-election in a conservative state and all he cares about is scoring those points. bmbengbenghazi brings back susa. he's proud of bringing down susan rice, when he hasn't raised a single legitimate question about it. now he's turning this into the
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same kind of spectacle. i don't like comparisons between this and 9/11 because the scope was very different, but it is unimaginable that in a week after 9/11, that democrats would be calling for house and senate hearings on what the bush administration might have known or might have gotten wrong. to use a time like this to score naked political points, i'd say it was surprising except it's what we've seen in their dealings with this president. >> i think it's got to be pointed out and it's got to be questioned, because clearly it pollutes the atmosphere. and then you go from that into just outright an eruption on the right of islamaphobia and the anti-muslim, anti-immigrant rhetoric on monday. listen to some of the right wing as they went into this. >> if people are coming from countries where, perhaps, they grew up under sharia law, i think we can make a safe assumption they have been
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radicalized. >> lindsey graham was on some show this week saying this shows how we need better tracking. i'm thinking this shows how we need better immigrants. >> how do we give asylum to people from islamic countries, or islamic territories? i would submit people shouldn't be coming here as tourists from check kn chechnya after 9/11. dagestan, chechnya, kyrgyzstan, uh-huh. as george bush would say, none of them stands. >> let me get this right, krystal. asylum is not based on those that may be in desire of leaving countries that we think their policies are no good. asylum is based on who you are. have you ever heard anything more biased and -- and in many ways profiling people just based on their nationality? i mean, it's the exact anti-thesis to what asylum is. >> it's the exact antithesis of
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everything this country stands for. judging people. not allowing them into this country because of their religion is unbelievable. i would love to know how many of these individuals who have now decided that no one from chechnya, no one from dagestan, no one from any of those stands, as she put it, i would love to know how many of them even knew they were on the map or what was going on geopolitically in those countries. it is a disgusting, naked attempt to use the rawest and basest of human emotions to stoke fear and resentment of the other. it's unbelievable. >> they didn't stop there. mr. rush limbaugh, he even went to go with another one of his old points, at least a year old point. listen to how mr. rush limbaugh made this ridiculous claim, joan. hold on to your seat. about the boston suspect and trayvon martin. >> the news media are doing to
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dzhokhar what they did to trayvon martin. they're regularly showing a photo of dzhokhar that was taken when he was about 14. soft. angelic. nice little boy. harmless. >> now, aside from the fact that i could deal with the merits of what they did to jdzhokhar, as e calls them, or not, how do you compare man under indictment for weapons of mass destruction, for a terrorist attack at boston, with a young man that was killed in sanford, florida? how do you even connect that he's -- that trayvon martin was anything other than the victim and whether or not whatever happens in his case, he's certainly not accused anywhere
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near of a crime, let alone what dzhokhar is standing accused of. >> right. one is accused of murdering people and terrorism. the other is a crime victim. this is what they tried to do to trayvon. there's a whole parallel universe on the right that was dedicated to -- to tarnishing his image and making him out to be someone who deserved to die. but to fuse these two things is just -- >> to make them the equivalents is just totally outrageous. >> right. >> even for limbaugh. when you look at the fact that they would bring the immigration bill into this, now we're going to deal with islamaphobia. we're going to deal with anyone from a certain country. and we are at the day they just had the funfunerals. i mean, just step over the mourners and let's just get the parade of hatred and bias here going, krystal. >> it's bringing out really some of the ugliest aspects of the right. look, again, if there are
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legitimate policy issues here, if there are legitimate things you can say about what can we learn to move forward, that's one thing. scoring political points, drawing parallels to trayvon martin and even the immigration debate, i think, is quite tangential. >> fair game. question the fbi. question the investigation. >> yes. >> question what happened, why this young man, the first -- the suspect one was not held or not put on a list. all that i think is fair game, whether i agree with it or not. but benghazi? trayvon martin? i mean, it's crazy. >> also, can i just point to peter king in this whole thing? peter king has made himself an expert on terrorism, particularly muslim terrorists. he wants to basically profile them. this man supported the i.r.a. he literally called them freedom fighters back in the day. in the hayday of i.r.a. bombings. we're talking about rand paul
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doesn't want to let chechens into the country. what if someone said back then we shouldn't let any irish into the country. whether it's for asylum or whatever reason because they fit the profile of a terrorist. somehow when they're white europeans it all looks a little bit different to them. but that peter king has any credibility to be mr. terrorism after his history is really galling. >> krystal ball, joan walsh, thank you both for your time tonight. be sure to catch krystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. check out joan's book "what's the matter with white people?" it's out in paperback this week. ahead, the investigation, we're learning what motivated them and how they learned to make bombs. days before the george w. bush library opening, we know what's inside. and how they're rewriting the history books. mark sanford, trespassing. and a full page newspaper ad. it all adds up to problems.
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have you joined the politics nation conversation on facebook yet? we hope you will. today, our fans were buzzing about the new george w. bush library and its exhibit that lets visitors choose if they would have made the same decisions as bush. barbara says, it's just a first step to rewriting history. patricia says, history is history. and no amount of interactive displays will chapg what he and his cohorts did. phil says, it'll be the only library where if you have an overdue book, you can blame it on the next person coming in.
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and his brother acted alone. that they had no connection to any terror network overseas. he said they were motivated by the u.s. wars in iraq and afghanistan. and they learned their bomb making from an online al qaeda magazine. we've also learned the older brother bought two large motor kits from a new hampshire fireworks store in early february. also today, new photos show the two suspects in the middle of what -- that fire fight with police early friday morning that left the older brother dead. but the suspects' mother still insists there's no truth to any of the charges. >> i am mother. i have -- you know, i know my kids. i know my kids. i -- really, my kids would never get involved into anything like that. >> many questions remain, but every day we're learning more
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about how and why these young men allegedly committed these terrible crimes. joining me now is eugene o'donne o'donnell, professor and law of police study at john jay college of criminal justice. and michael isikoff. thank you both for being here. michael, do authorities think they have the suspect -- that they have -- that he's telling the truth about acting alone? do they believe him? >> reporter: they're certainly checking out his story. but they seem to be increasingly confident that this is a case of self radicalization. he has said that he and his brother had no accomplices, that they were inspired to do this, to defend islam against u.s. wars in iraq and afghanistan. but probably most significantly
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they have begun to exploit their cell phones and computers and e-mails that they've gotten access to, and at least so far have found no indication of any acokoccomplices or connections international terror groups. no signs that they were in touch with somebody immediately before the bombing to discuss the details of the plot. now, that doesn't mean that they weren't in touch with others who were of radical jihadi beliefs and might have been encouraged in the process of radicalization. i did visit the cambridge mosque today where they attended and where tamerlan in particular had been disruptive on two occasions. in fact, as it was, at one point ordered to leave the mosque if he didn't start behaving himself because he was disrupting sermons. and was told the mosque has been cooperativing with the fbi. that the fbi has begun
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questioning members of the mosque, asking them about these incidents, looking to see if there were signs of connections to others, that he had colleagues or cohorts who were sympathetic to his views. but by and large, they say it's a moderate islamic mosque. that it very much feels in the american mainstream it celebrates american -- >> you would think, michael, that it's moderate if he was sat down and if he was warned there. certainly doesn't seem like a radical mosque to me, which is why being anti-muslim and anti-islamic is so absurd. but let me ask you something, eugene. i mean, you are the expert here. take me inside the investigation. because now this has come down to the ground as a regular, very intense police investigation. what's happening? >> well, obviously as michael indicates, they're taking what they say are the greatest -- they would never just accept that. because they have a motive to lie to make a self-serving
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statement. corroborating what they say and making sure you pin it down will be essential. you're not only trying to prove the details of this case, which i think sometimes we fast forward over that. the fbi, law enforcement, has to make this case out piece by piece. have to lock out claims. has to anticipate, perhaps they would try to use a mental health defense in the trial. you're getting so far along in this case you're thinking about the death penalty phase. at some point probably sooner rather than later you're going to end up looking at their childhoods, where they came from. it's a sweeping, really unparalleled investigation other than the 9/11 investigation. there's a blank check. it's a full-court press. it's a criminal investigation. but also obviously you need to ascertain that there's nobody else afoot with these kind of designs associated with these folks. >> and investigators would be looking at cell phone records, credit cards, photographs, all of that? >> there's essentially an unlimited supply of information they can get. travel records and the like. there will be an autopsy of these people that's really
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unparalleled. if they didn't pay a light bill on time, that will come up. they'll absolutely thoroughly go through this and rightfully so. >> now, michael, from what you've given us, we know they're saying they acted alone. we know that you're reporting that they said it was a religious motivation. what's also interesting is they said they used online al qaeda magazine to build a bomb. i mean, anything can learn to make a pressure cooker bomb online. is there any way to stop that from happening again? >> reporter: well, that's a really good question. remember, the -- the magazine, the online magazine that tsarnaev has told investigators that they read and learned how to make the bomb was inspire. the al qaeda and the arabian peninsula, branch in yemen, very -- was -- actually, that
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was the magazine that was very well connected with anwr alaki, the radical jihadi that was targeted and killed by a u.s. drone strike to years ago. as was killed in -- in a drone strike, kahn, the american operative who was the editor of that magazine as it were, the sort of inspirational figure in putting that magazine together. the magazine is still publishing despite the killing of the people who were behind it. so that's a pretty good indicator that it's very difficult to eliminate these things just because you use u.s. drones to kill off the people who are behind these things. there's still going to be people putting them together. i think this whole case is an indicator of just how difficult it is to eliminate these inspirations for -- for radicals in the united states.
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>> and then, you know, what is amazing -- >> we whack them with drones, yet it doesn't stop them. >> it's amazing, because you say it's still -- the magazines are still there. eugene, you're a policeman. i mean, it seems very frightening to me that someone can go online and learn how to make bombs that can do this kind of damage. i mean, would they have to know something? are you just saying anyone can just get on and just go through the steps easily? >> i think that's what's being checked out today. this fireworks factory up in new hampshire, were they trying to -- were they imp ro vising? how much training did they have? how much expertise did they have? if you talk to bomb experts, it's not terribly difficult. it's not difficult beasy but it terribly difficult. >> it's amazing. and frightening. mike am isikoff and eugene
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o'donnell, thank you both for your time. >> thank you. ahead, how would you like to go back in time and make the decisions george w. bush failed at? well, now you can. we're inside the bush library, ahead. and here they go again. the latest bogus attack on president obama is taking flight. buckle up. that's next. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful?
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when it comes to boosting the economy and creating jobs, gop leaders have stuck to one solution. cut spending. >> it's time to cut spending. >> try and reduce the level of spending here in washington. >> our goal here is to cut spending. >> the sequester, it does cut spendi ing spending. >> cut spending. oh, sure, that'll fix everything, right? wrong. president obama repeatedly warned that last month's automatic budget cuts would hurt our economy and slow down our recovery. >> my budget also replaces the foolish across the board spending cuts that are already hurting our economy. >> but speaker boehner, majority leader cantor, and the other far right wingers wouldn't budge. and now the cuts are hurting air travelers. the faa has been forced to slash hours for 47,000 employees.
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including 15,000 air traffic controllers. and we're seeing airport delays all across the country. surely boehner and cantor are -- would be flying high. after all, they got those spending cuts they wanted to badly, didn't they? not quite. instead, they're still on the attack against the president. pushing the twitter hashtag obama flight delays. there it is tweeted by speaker boehner. majority leader cantor is on board, too. he's tweeting, why is president obama unnecessarily delays your flight? faa could have cut other spending. boarding call for mr. boehner and mr. cantor. you can't support something, then turn around and blame it on the president. any other ideas? >> it's time to cut spending here in washington. >> good one, mr. speaker.
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welcome back to "politics nation," and it's pop quiz time. anyone recognize these pets? they're two very famous scottish terriers. and the answer is bonnie and miss beasley. george w. bush's pets. and those are the statutes of the favorite bush dogs inside the new bush presidential library. yes. we're now getting a peek inside what that library will look like when it opens in two days. the little dogs will be on full display. but guess who doesn't get much mention in the exhibits? "the new york times" reports former vice president dick cheney, former defense secretary donald h. rumsfeld, and karl rove generally make only cameo
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appearances in news footage. give the dogs a statue, but those guys who misled us into war, forget about them. after all, this day the president won't apologize for iraq. >> was there ever any consideration of apologizing to the american people? >> i mean, apologizing would basically say the decision was the wrong decision. and i don't believe it was the wrong decision. >> i don't believe it was the wrong decision? speaking of wrong decisions, we're learning the new library will have an interactive decision points theater inside. visitors are presented with the stark choices that confronted the nation's 43rd president. invade iraq or leave saddam hussein in power? deploy federal troops after hurricane katrina or rely on local forces? bail out wall street or let the banks fail?
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before voting on whether they would make the same choices that mr. bush did, can you believe this, they're asking americans to make the decisions president bush failed at. which this interactive theater was in place before the bush presidency. wayne slater, senior political writer, "dallas morning news" and co-author of "bush's brain." and david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and co-author of "hubris: the inside story of spend, scandal and the selling of the iraq war." thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> good evening. >> wayne -- >> good evening. >> wayne, i want to start with you. you toured the library. what are your impressions of some of these exhibits? >> well, with respect to barney, you mentioned that barney never did give the president bad advice. it's expected, i guess, the slight reference to rove, rumsfeld and cheney. the thing you mentioned, the
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decision points theater where people are invited to make choices, that suggests and the bush library people say it's evidence that bush is not trying to hide from the controversies of his administration. and, in fact, there are references to those controversies, the wars, the surge, the economic collapse, katrina, all over the library. but it only is a suggestion of a debate. it's not really a debate. >> right. >> because at the end of decision point theaters, there's a reference to bush coming back and explaining why he did what he did. in other words, justifying the decisions. the library in each exhibit and as a whole is fundamentally a justification of the bush years. >> you know, david, your book "hubris" focuses on the administration's spending and selling the iraq war to the public. here's how the bush library covers it, following up what wayne said. here's how they cover the wmds. "the new york times" reports,
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quote, it does not ignore controversies like the weapons of mass destruction that was never found in iraq. but it doesn't dwell on them, either. in the iraq display, it says fl flatly, no stock part-times of wmd were found. but, then it adds, post invasion inspections confirmed that saddam hussein had the capacity to resume production of wmd. that's very cute. >> it's cute by two half. i'm looking forward to seeing the undisclosed location display where they put all the dick cheney stuff. on weapons of mass destruction, i mean, the thing is, how you frame the debate, how you put the question, is the key thing here. if you say, do we invade iraq or do we leave saddam hussein, brutal tyrant, in place? there's your decision point. right there you're rigging the deck. at the time we had inspectors in there, weapons of mass destruction weapons inspectors from the u.n., who were doing their job. and there was a lot of people --
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actually, not a lot of people. there was some of us in washington at the time who said before you even get to talking about an invasion, we should see what they find. or instead of an invasion, if you do believe there are wmd facilities, why not have strategic attacks just on those? why have an invasion you have no plan for afterwards? and to say that, hey, they have the capacity to resume, well, anybody who can -- you know, who can go to the internet and, you know, read a bomb plan has the capacity to resume making wmds. what the weapons inspectors found at the end that we sent in after the invasion was that there was no wmd program whatsoever. and it had completely deteriorated. so there's a lot of -- >> which is the opposite of what -- the opposite of what we were told is the reason that we were going to war. you know, also, wayne, it's interesting that the library seems to forget his own mistakes as president. for example, the katrina exhibit
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features from bush in september of 2005 the statement, "i want to know what went right and what went wrong." what went wrong? just ask the president at the time. oh, wait. that was you. you were the president at the time. it's crazy, but you toured it, wayne. did you find the "mission accomplished" banner hanging in the library? >> no mission accomplished banner there. >> did you check the closets? are you sure? >> i'm pretty sure it's not there. it is not there. but, you know, these libraries, reverend sharpton, these libraries are always an expression of the president. this is the 13th presidential library. they are all at the beginning clear, if not clear positive expressions and full out pagiography, at least the world as the administration saw it. there was no evidence, no
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reference to the iran contra crisis in the reagan administration in the reagan library. as an example of walls being broken. there's no blue dress in the clinton library. and there is, you're correct, no mission accomplished banner. but let me just say one other thing. these libraries develop over time. they evolve. the lyndon johnson library here in austin, texas, when it opened in 1971, had a very different vietnam exhibit. now if you go today, you see a much more honest portrayal of vietnam and the nation divided. i think if we go to the bush library, my guess is 50 years from now it will be a somewhat different set of exhibits about the wars. >> but it is important, wayne, because, for example, george bush raised more money for the bush library than he raised for the 2000 and 2004 campaigns. he raised $500 million plus for the library. more than both of the elections.
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so the presidents' legacies and how they want to be remembered is extremely important to them. >> you bet you. and that's one of the things bush always talks about. when he was -- the last months of his administration, and frankly the four years, the few times we've talked to him or he's talked publicly, he's always expressed the idea that he doesn't care. that it's not important to him. the fact is just the opposite. if you look at our interview with bush which we published last week, bush said things like, you know, nobody likes to be criticized all the time. when we raised issues, tom benning of our staff raised issues with the president about the economic crisis, he was quick to compare mathematically the size of the deficit to the point in which -- a way in which he said it wasn't that much worse than during ronald reagan's period. so he's sensitive. >> david, let me ask you this. i noticed that former president bush is going up in popularity.
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it was -- he was at in a poll 23% in october 2008. now he's up to 47%. now, is that because people haven't seen him a lot? >> yeah. >> does absence make the heart grow fonder here? >> yeah. his popularity went up when he disappeared and started doing pictures and portraits of dogs and himself taking a shower. >> you wrote the book reminding everyone of president bush as he provided over the country. >> you know, you know this, reverend al. history is always a fight. it's always a struggle. we go back and forth. and, you know, bush was probably good pr advice. pretty despised when you left the presidential office. a majority of americans actually believed he had lied the country into the war in iraq. not just that it was a mistake, but he purposely said things that were false to get the war fwoi going. so the best thing he could do,
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take a powder, lay low. it's kicking in. in the long run, though, as wayne mentioned about watergate -- he didn't mention watergate. watergate with nixon, vietnam with lbj, these things you can't run tfrom. presidents can't run from what they did. when it comes to no action on global warming, climate change. when it comes to doing nothing about the subprime industry before it all crashed and brought down the economy. those are things that bush can't spin away by having a little interactive display that sort of falsely frames the question. >> well, david corn, wayne slater, i think you can run, but as long as there's guys around like us, you can't hide. thanks for your time this evening. ahead, ex-husband versus ex-wife. how a busted marriage might bust a political career again. stay with us. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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mark sanford is blazing a new trail this week. earlier this month the former south carolina governor won the republican primary for a house seat he held in the '90s. it was a big return to the public stage since sanford is
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known best for this moment in 2009. >> as much as i did talk about going to the appalachian trail, it was one of the original scenarios that i'd thrown out. the bottom line is this. i -- i've been unfaithful to my wife. i developed a relationship with a -- what started out as a dear, dear friend from argentina. >> but that was then. and this is now. he's done the media blitz. all the baggage is out in the open. but now we have this. it's a full page ad in a charleston, south carolina, newspaper. the headline "a person message from mark sanford." he's defending himself against his ex-wife's charge that he trespassed on her property. this is not from the onion, it's real. jenny sanford filed court documents in march accusing her ex-husband of entering her house
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without her permission. she says she found him using his cell phone as a flashlight as he left out her back door. and now the national republican congressional committee will not be engaged in this special election. there's not enough ad space in the world for sanford to explain this one. joining me now is dick harputlian, chairman of the south carolina democratic party. thanks for being here, dick. >> thank you, al. >> how are people in south carolina reacting to this ad? >> you know, mark sanford has humiliated, embarrassed the state for most of his political career. we thought we were done with him. then just like freddy krueger, he's back. this is a national humiliation for the state. i think, though, the state's going to prove that it is smarter than mark sanford and many of the republicans think we
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are. they're going to send him back home to wherever that is. argentina, charleston, who knows. and elect elizabeth colbert busch to the united states congress. >> let's get back to this ad. sanford says he was at his ex-wife's house to watch the super bowl with his son. and he tried to tell jenny sanford before -- before he went. but he also compares his campaign to the alamo. he says, i'd ask you to cross the line and fight with me. comparing his fight to the alamo? i mean, really? >> well, i think just like the folks at the alamo, he's going to end up dead. i think that he's -- that maybe that is the comparison. mark sanford is the best liar to camera i've seen in 40 years. he said, for instance, he just went over there to watch the super bowl with his son. what he doesn't mention is he had gone to this house many times before.
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his wife had to get a letter from the charleston police department telling him not the come back. and then he comes back again. he said he went over there to watch the super bowl with his son so he wouldn't be alone. today we find out from the buford newspaper that his other son or sons were there. so his son wasn't alone. this guy is a serial liar. and, you know, he's gotten away with it for his entire term as governor and a few terms as congressman. so he's caught. >> but, dick, it seems like this trespassing news has taken its toll on the house race. when you look at the fact that in march, sanford's opponent, elizabeth colbert busch, had 47% of the vote. now she's up to 50 and sanford's fallen from 45 to 41. colbert busch went from a two point to a nine-point lead. it seems like it's not working for him this time. >> well, i think two things are happening. one, elizabeth is just an extraordinary candidate, has worked very hard, has great tv
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op, has knocked on a bunch of doors. what i fweguess folks on a natil level don't see is this. this is probably the dagger in his heart. the night of the primary when he won in the runoff, his mistress, now fiancee, shows up on the stage. and apparently according to what jennie sanford has said now, was the first time her children had met mark sanford -- their soon to be stepmother -- fiancee. the talk in charleston and buford, you're telling me they've been engaged for six months and the first time this nar cystic, self-centered s.o.b. decides the kids ought to meet her is on the stage? look at his face in the picture you saw a moment ago. look at the total sort of depression and disgust on this kid's face. i think that's what drove jenny sanford to distraction. that's why i think she's gone on
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the offensive to protect her kids. everybody in the district understands that. he needs to fade out of the public scene and go back to doing whatever it was before he got into politics. >> sanford's ex-wife jenny denies leaking this story. she also says his congressional race is not her concern. jenny also did a media blitz of her own in 2010 after her husband's scandal came to light. let's listen to some of that. >> from the wife's standpoint, thumb's down. from the political adviser standpoint, thumb's down. >> there's nobody cheaper than this guy. this guy can pinch a penny better than anybody. he stayed true to his political principles. >> you did not stand next to your husband. did you think of doing that? >> no. i didn't, really. >> would you have if he asked you? >> no. >> i mean, is this scandal from
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back then still have some traction in the district and in the state, dick? >> absolutely. al, he's -- people might have been willing to give him a second chance, believe it or not. but he has stepped all over that with trespass charge. and one of the things that's not being talked about on the national level is in the same petition where she asks the family court judge to hold him in contempt, he could be going to jail rather than to congress, she points out that he failed to pay money to help with his son's college tuition. after she filed that, he paid it. but up until her going to court, he was a dead beat dad. i just think this is just too much for even the republicans to swallow in this district that went 60/40 for romney over obama. elizabeth colbert busch is at 50%. most of the public polls.
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>> all right. dick harpootlian, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be right back.
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in the wake of the tragedy we're seeing a rise of islamaphobia on the right. >> how is it after 9/11, how do we give asylum to people from islamic countries, or islamic territories who are claiming that they're -- they're somehow desefrving of this? i don't even understand that. >> we're going to have to cut off muslim students from coming to this country for some period of time so that we can at least absorb what we've got, look at what we've got and decide whether some of the people here should be going -- sent back home or sent to prison. >> i don't care if she knew about this. she ought to be in prison for wearing a hijab. >> this has no place in america. think about the news today from canada. al qaeda plan to attack a passenger trais